Andres Payan Estrada discusses the idea of cochineal as a “borderless body,” a concept introduced in conversation with artist Tanya Aguiñiga. He reflects on how natural systems—plants, insects, and animals—exist beyond human-imposed borders, challenging the divisions that separate both people and ecosystems. Using cochineal as an example, he traces its presence across regions like Oaxaca, Peru, Los Angeles, and the US–Mexico border, highlighting its expansive and migratory nature. Through this lens, Estrada points to the interconnectedness of ecology, geography, and politics embedded within the material.