Andres Estrada reflects on Porfirio Gutiérrez's use of cochineal and the deep knowledge embedded within his artistic practice. He considers how Gutiérrez's careful understanding of materials connects to Indigenous ways of creation that link art, community, land stewardship, and knowledge of ecological systems. Estrada also discusses how craft-based traditions are sustained through cultural knowledge passed across generations and communities, emphasizing Gutiérrez's role in creating spaces for education and the continuation of shared cultural practices.